Sunday, November 18, 2012

Monday Morning (10 am IST) sees BB-11 as a depression (T-1.0) and pressure at 1003 mb. Winds are just about 20-25 knts, and the clouding has thinned out and are non convective, at an average temperature (CTT ) of 10c. No precipitation around the system ...though a weak centre still holds on at 15.2N and 86.2E ...New Low emerged in the Eastern Bay at 1008 mb. Shall number it if required...maybe a final report around noon ?

see Abhijit's comments giving Monday morning lows in Maharashtra...

Update as at 11.00 pm IST Sunday:

BB-11 is back to its deep depression status. at 1000 mb and located at 15.8N and 87.4E, it has moved just 20 kms west since the last report (on current page). But core wind speeds are at 65 kmph in the NE quadrant, where the maximum clouding is recorded. The SW quadrant is sheared away, and winds there are at 25 kmph.

The Southern mainland enjoying the cold wave, has resulted in the dis-intensification of the system. Dry cold air pushed into the system. The cloud top temeratures are almost down to 7c now. Not showing much convectivity.

Expected to weaken and move W/NW.

The pulse mentioned in the Gulf of Siam (vagaries' last report) has moved into the extreme eastern Andaman sea as an UAC. Will start telling its effect on BB-11.

For  update (5 and 8pm IST) on the BB-11 , see on Current Weather Page....also check cold wave in Mah and Karnataka report on Current Weather Page

Editorial Note: 

Colourful forecasts and very frequent changes in track forecasts have cast a shadow on the reliability and accuracy of model forecasts. True, all models go as per their computers, fed with the current parameters, but all including popular US model computers are in no position to accurately estimate the possible changes in the parameters they depend on. All judge from the possible computed estimates of wind shear, SST, pressure ridges, winds aloft and surrounding conditions.

Course of Events:

Initially, the events started much before this system was born. With this Vagaries' write up on the 10th of November: "The Arabian Sea UAC will not sustain beyond 24 hrs, hence the on going medium rains in Kerala and coastal Karnataka decrease after Tuesday.
But the Bay system will move NW, initially as a UAC for the next 48 hrs. It will descend as a Low, (BB-11)by the 14th of November, around the 8N and 85E region, East of Sri Lanka. The system, BB-11 will move NW towards the TN coast as a depression." 

On 12th November, BB-11 formed South-East off Sri Lanka. Generally, all models expected that this system will move North and will be overcome by another system expected in the Eastern Bay, BB-12,. Almost all models forecasted the growth of BB-12 into a DD and move NE into Bangladesh or further North-Eastwards.

Vagaries stated on 12th: "The tracking of BB-11 and BB-12 will depend on the tilt of the trough."

Taking its own course and time, BB-11 moved North instead, and after 4 days suddenly started gaining strength. As mentioned in Vagaries then, BB-12 has been a let down, allowing BB-11 to gain strength. 

BB-11 ,with no counter system, took the advantage to form into a Deep depression today. Meanwhile moving slightly NW. Vagaries had published that another weak system may still push BB-11 into Orissa.(With a maybe?)

As on Sunday, almost all models now, observing the changing parameter, expect this to become a cyclone, and move SW. If proved correct, it would be an absolute "un-realistic" course and direction. Very rarely (cannot remember when) have I seen a S/SW direction for such a long distance travel of a system in our seas.

But, a pulse is seen forming and very slowly trudging into the Bay from the Gulf of Siam. Vagaries feel, even an UAC from this will help maintain its W/NW track (from current position).

An All-in-One: All models forecast at a Glance for the Deep Depression  here: and click on Models "Dynamical:

All models now predict a SW bend for the system...check in the link above....

Currently absolutely stuck at 16N and 88.5E...jerky movememt indeed...a spurt in 4 hrs yesterday, and now stuck for the last 6 hrs....


sset said...

Rajesh sir - pls bless for SW movement.

Navi Mumbai was cold yesterday night. Winter to set in. Darkness falls early.

Ron said...

damn imd mumbai shows mumbai minimum yest at 15C....

Rajesh said...

Ron: yesterday Scruz was 19c and today per IMD.

sset: Abhijit has put up all the temps of surrounding towns..hope he puts up today as well..

Unknown said...

some models show mumbai morning temperature to be 16 degrees

Abhijit Modak said...

Today's dated 18/11/2012 Min temp of some cities of Maharashtra

(Santacruz 15.2 C, Colaba 21.3 C)
Dahanu 17.5 C
Ratnagiri 15.5 C
Pune 9 C
Nashik 8.1 C
Satara 10 C
Sangli 12.8 C
Aurangabad 12.9 C
Parbhani 9.6 C
Solapur 12.1 C
Nagpur 10.5 C
Akola 11.7 C

Now some min temp from IMD AWS

Palghar 14.2 C
Thane 18.6 C
Karjat 13.1 C
Badlapur(own measured ) 13.7 C

Abhijit Modak said...

Ahmednagar 7.8 C lowest in Maharashtra today.

Abhijit Modak said...

Alibaug 17 C
Mahabaleshwar 12.7 C
Kolhapur 14.4 C

All above min temp from IMD for today 18-11-2012.

Abhijit Modak said...

Badlapur max temp is 30.5 C @ 3pm today. So further 0.5 C slide than yesterday.

sset said...

Bay depression showing signs of weaking. Will it sustain and move SW???


Abhijit Modak said...

Badlapur having 17 C temp at 11.30pm. Most of the homes have kept their fans off here. And Most of peoples are taking out sweaters & blankets now.

Rajesh said...

abhijit: your readings should slide down to 12.5-13c tomorrow morning...seeing your interest, i wish that you get proper reading in stevensons box soon,
here at vagaries max was 30.3c today..

Abhijit Modak said...

Ya. Sure Sir. After Shade work is over of our Apartment. As it has just started and going to take one long month more . Will contact you also for guidance . Till then low & max might be 1 C more/less in mine readings but atleast something for reference.

Abhijit Modak said...
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Abhijit Modak said...

Rajesh Sir. You correctly predicted last night.

Today morning Badlapur min temp slide to 12.5 C @ 6am .

Also in morning walk while blowing air from our mouth then water vapor condenses making it visible(as if smoke coming out) because the air is cool. So that much cold is
there outside.

Abhijit Modak said...

Pune Records 7.9 C min temp today that is one of lowest min temp for month of November.. At least last 10years such low was not record in month of November ! And all time min temp record was 4.6 C on 27th Nov 1964..

Now All vagaries contestant lose their Pune point in Vagaries contest for November ..

Abhijit Modak said...

Mumbai(Santacruz)Records 14.6 C min temp for today.

Even All vagaries contestant lose their Mumbai (Santacruz) point too in Vagaries contest for November ..

Abhijit Modak said...

Today's dated 19/11/2012 Min temp of some cities of Maharashtra

(Santacruz 14.6 C, Colaba 21 C)
Dahanu 17.9 C
Ratnagiri 16.5 C
Pune 7.9 C
Nashik 8.3 C
Satara 10.8 C
Sangli 13.6 C
Mahabaleshwar 12.6 C
Aurangabad 12.4 C
Parbhani 9.2 C
Nanded 10.5 C
Solapur 11.3 C
Nagpur 11.3 C
Akola 11.5 C

Now some min temp from IMD AWS

Palghar 13.1 C
Thane 18.4 C
Karjat 12.5 C
Badlapur(own measured ) 12.5 C

Abhijit Modak said...

Wow. Badlapur cooler than Mahabaleshwar hill station.. As Badlapur records 12.5 C & Mahabaleshwar records 12.6 C as min temp for today.

Abhijit Modak said...

Ahmednagar lowest in Maharashtra today as 7.4 C min temp recorded there.

Jalgaon 8.3 C
Alibaug 17.1 C

Correction in Dahanu 17.1 C today.

Source IMD Pune.

Arpit Sharma said...

Minimum temperatures of some
important cities...
Chandigarh-10.2 c

Arpit Sharma said...

Rajesh sir:I find that these WDs
coming from the west travels
upto around 25N till upto iran
balochistan border and after that
suddenly reaches upto 35N
leaving whole pakistan dry except

Arpit Sharma said...

Rajesh Kapadia
arpit: Yes, this has been the
normal trend or course
always...WD forms around the
Caspian Sea, or sometimes a little
east of it also. Then they travel
eastwards till they encounter the
anti-cyclone high over the
Subcontinent region....then the WD
is pushed up. Sometimes, if the
WD is a cold front and strong
enough, it will give "birth" to a
secondary low over the sindh
region. Then , the main WD and its
product, the secondary low will
travel east and the secondary low
brings rain inthe plains...on the
raraest occasion...(let me
remember....i think 1970) a strong
very strong WD produced a strong
secondary low and a another low
bwlow it..means 2 lows
below..brought rains upto
Maharshtra and
dropped to a max 0f 22c ...

Arpit Sharma said...

Thnx sir for the reply.

Rohit 10 said...

@ Rajesh sir :

u have mentioned about max temp dropping to 22 c bcoz of WD ..

i checked historic database and found the below (Just for some info):

The year 1962 was an abnormal year in the sense that max temp at mumbai airport (scz) fell to below 23 C on 5 occasions and jan high averaged 27.3 c!! (In the recent past decade it has averaged around 31.4 c)

5 jan 1962 shows a max temp of only 20 c but no rain !!

22 jan 1962 is recorded by IMD as the coldest day ever in Mumbai at 7.4 c.

26 Jan 1962 showed a max of only 22.8 c at Mumbai airport and rain of 6 mms (Delhi -sfd received 3 cms)..

Arpit Sharma said...

Thnx rohit...nice info.

Rajesh said...

Rohit: you are correct about 1962. My ref. of low day was with a rough ref to WD , and main note was WD coming with multiple lows below...yes,i had just expressed by memory on live chat with arpit about 1970. rohit, i am not too sure otf this 20c max in Mumbai on 5th jan '62 . where is this info from please ?

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